Thanks for the input it was much appriciated, for red lion I am hunting rolling hills with thick laurel and pine on top and oak groves and swamps down below, it has been warm here so I am wondering how taht is going to affect the daytime activity? but starting tommorow it's back to cold normal weather, how long will it take to get the deeer to move durring the day after it's had a freak indian summer for a week then back to Cold normal weather? Thanks everyone for the info