i'll check them out. I've always just bought the 245 grain ball-ets just to blast out of the winchester and have fun with 50 for $8.99. Those actually shot good out of my rifle. Another cheap full bore bullet that shot good was the sabot tooth bullets but again, im not a big fan of them after i found out 1 fell out of my barrel the first day of the hunt. Breaks my heart, knowing that i could have filled my tag 20 minutes into the hunt .