I actually stalked to 8 yards on Saturday 11-11-06 of this deer bedded with doe. I was at 20 yards but was into the open, so I pressed my luck and went in for the kill. At 8 yards, an opening appeared through the tall grasses. Tried to wait for a better shot, but the doe spotted me and it was all or nothing. He fell no more than 30 yards from the shot!