I was able to get a 4 point with my bow my first year out. This makes my third year out and am ending it with no bow take last year or this year. I have seen a ton of deer, just nothing close enough to shoot. I did try a 40 yard shot at a doe and shot just in front of her (not used to shooting more than 30). Despite that I am havng the time of my life. I am ending my bow season seeing the biggest buck I have ever seen chasing a doe.That was just as awesome as harvesting a deer! Learn from every trip out as I am doing and take it all in. It is a lot harder to get a deer with a bow than a gun! Good luck!