yeah i've seen people just rammering on the ramrod to seat their bullet and then firing it off. That traditions the guy was shooting wasnt even made for magnum charges and he figured it was. A few months back you may remember my thread about me forgetting to take out my ramrod and firing it off. Son of a gun that winchester has a hell of a barrel lol. 90 grains pyrodex RS, aluminum ramrod, 385 grain great plains bullet. I've never been kicked that hard by a rifle. Funny thing is, that damn bullet and ramrod shot 2" patterns from eachother lol. I checked the barrel/ stock out, everything was perfect. Thats why im considering buying my nephew the x-150. Rifle is built solid. And a lot of problems ive noticed with people is that they dont read their gun manual or know the differences between powders and load a 150 grain loose charge of app and something goes wrong. I personally have never used t7 or app, black mag. So i have no clue what charges would equal 120 grains Pyrodex RS. But if i were to buy some, im not just going to load up a charge and hope its right, im going to be asking. my traditions kentucky rifle shoots 110 grains fffg goex with no problems at all. My 2 most fav Bp rifles i own are those 2. I think my nephew will like an x-150 for christmas, he liked mine.