I think that I am going to just quit chiming in on the 710 threads. I have had great success with my 710 but am aware that it is not a super high end rifle, and I state that fact. But it doesnt matter what is said, people just dont like the gun. I have just tried to let the people know that ask questions about the gun that it is an OK rifle for the occasional shooter but it has had it share of problems in the past. I like mine, it is a great shooter but now that I bought my Winchester it is not the first rifle that I grab for anymore.