James, I see the same thing at gun ranges around here, you'll get some hot shot 18-19 year old kid with his new super duper magnum, and the kid can't even keep his gun on the paper at 100 yards, and then they proceed to tell you that the gun doesn't kick too bad, yeah I guess not, thats why you couldn't even keep the damn thing on a 10x10" piece of paper at 100 yards.