i know everybody likes the summits but you should seriously check out the gorilla climbers in sportsmans guide. i got the big one and i think it was $150 including shipping. its all camo which is kind of pointless but its cool and it has these pivoting arms that help to level and stablize it. it has a hammock style seat, kind of like the ol'man treestands i think. it comes with a shooting rail that flips down to be a footrest and its like 23 pounds total. pretty good stand imo even though i have never tried a summit, but it seems nice and comfy and easy to climb. i think in like last months feild and stream or outdoor life there was a climber test and the gorilla won. its not the exact same one that i have but its basically the same except the the one that won had padded arm rests and the one from sportsmansguide.com is last years model and it doesnt have them. check it out though