I have been reading this thread and want to ask a few questions. I am not taking sides, but rather trying to place things into a proper perspective.......................

Why is it that if you disagree with someone else's thought processes, you are enlightened, but if someone disagrees with your thought processes, they are blind and closed-minded?????


High Fence does not equal canned.
High Fence does not equal canned.
High Fence does not equal canned.
High Fence does not equal canned.
High Fence does not equal canned.
High Fence does not equal canned.
High Fence does not equal canned.
High Fence does not equal canned.
High Fence does not equal canned.
High Fence does not equal canned.

Are you trying to convince us or yourself.... and it very well may not, but it is a lot closer to it than no fence hunting.

At 15 I would hope you learn to do your homework before you develope an opinion about anything. In only 3 years you will be voting. Do us all a favor and turn the tv off, write the candidates and ask them the questions of interest to you (some of this can be obtained on the net, but usually not the really hot topics). Take note of their prepared responses and vote responsibly.

I must ask, who are you to say that this young man has not done his homework? Just because he disagrees with you does not mean he is wrong. Go back to the top and re-read my first statement. I doubt you know this young man personally. So your supposition that he is watching tv, is insulting to him, especially since his post was well written, worded, and thought out. He sounds quite intelligent to me. But I understand, he was disagreeing with you. Go back and re-read my first statement at the top.


When a species is in trouble of becoming extinct, how do we save it? Put the remaining species survivors in zoos? Wrong - never worked and never will. Decide to hunt and eat them and pay for the privilege - BINGO! That works.


And all this time I thought that the Government powers that be, placed the animals on the endangered species list, making it illegal to posess or hunt them. And after a period of time their numbers recover. I never knew there were high fence operations for eagles and certain owls and the such. WOW! I need to go see those operations. I wonder how high those fences are?


"Innocense" only exists in a world free of evil and corruption. I'm pretty sure Outdoorlover speakswith "inexperience"


I beg to differ. Innocense exists in the heart and soul of anyone who chooses to not partake in, nor be influenced by, the evil and corrupt of the world. A grown man can know of the evil and corruptness of a prostitute, but unless he lays with one, hewill die innocent of that same evil. He will never feel it's effects.


“Wrong,
innocense exists in every person at their beginning and is only incrementally taken awy by a corrupt world and I think it's obvious that outdoorslover still has some of his—thankfully”
Wrong again,
At fifteen, he surly knows evil and corruption exists. I won’t deny he’s trying to resurrect his innocence, but by doing so, he turns a blind eye to reality. That’s inexperience! I wish we could live in an ideal world void of all things wrong.


First, At 15, why must he know of evil and corruption? When I was in college, I had a roommate that was a fine Christian young man, and he was pure as the driven snow, and as innocent as a baby. This was an 18 year old. I guess someone forgot to tell him he was supposed to take "evil and corruption 101" in high school. And why must he be trying to resurrect anything? Again, who says he has lost his innocense?? I think we have already established the fact that you do not know him. Don't ever assume anything, cause you know what happens when you assume.........


So then you have no ethical or moral argument but have decided that what is right or wrong regarding this topic is simply what is the most popular position. If enough people hollar loud enough that they want something banned then that in your words makes the argument valid and the ban should go in to law. Will you remember that if peta finally convinces the majority that bow hunting is ethically wrong and should be banned? Or hunting from a tree stand or with a rifle or just hunting in general?

Fortunately we live in a country where law is based (or at least is supposed to be based) on principle rather than simply being the result of a popularity contest. IMO, in principle, the killing of animals that goes on in high fence hunting is on the same moral and ethical plane as other kinds of legal killing and I've previously given my reasoning. The fact that it is only a minority that does it is irrelevant. Again, in this country we protect the rights of the minority or at least we're supposed to.


I can understand, to some extent, sylvan's point here. But then I come back to a general thought.*** Just because something is legal, does not necessarily make it right. And we, as a human race, have proven that in the past and continue to do so today.

For instance: Abortion is legal, but is it right? Not allowing women to vote was legal, but was it right? Slavery was legal, but was it right? In some places prostitution is legal, but is it right?

Our human race is dynamic. That means we have the ability to use our minds to think and reason a complex idea to a logical end. Sometimes it takes longer to reach that end. Sometimes it comes quickly. But it is because of that ability, that we can exist and learn from our mistakes.


Is there anything we can say or do to change your mind? Show you a bill of sale perhaps? Can we provide you with DNR regulations to the effect that all indigenous wildlife must be removed priorto installation of non-indigenous wildlife? What if the property is certified "indigenous free" by a representative of "we the people" at the landowners expense?Would that suffice? Would animals sold byour DNRs (it happens)carry the classification of"non-indigenous"?

Yep JJ, teaching a blind man the color purple.


Why do you feel the need to change other peoples minds, when you are not willing to change your mind for others?? Why is it all take and no give. You may not agree with him, but thatdoes not make him wrong. I will interject my own thoughts here : If there was no profit to be made by selling hunts on these big game, exotic, or trophy enclosures, would they still exist?? Would they continue to operate strictly within the idea of protecting and increasing a dwindeling herds numbers?? And , as a side note: What makes the killing of a genetically engineered "trophy" animal so special?? If it is all about the animals and rebuilding their numbers, why would antler size matter?? And if it was all about the animals, and their well being, why would the Game Farms charge different amounts for the taking of a doe, a management buck, and a trophy animal??? And why would you not just go there and shoot a doe and go home??? And if it is not about the trophy, why would someone go home from an exotic hunt empty handed??


Now, my only point in posting all of this is because I got tired of seeing people put down and called closed - minded, while the persons saying it kept insisting they were right. But if you are not willing to look at, or listen to other perspectives, aren't you guilty of the same closed - mindedness?? And don't be so judgemental towards the youth of the world. I have met many that are more intelligent than most adults, and some of the time it is only because they don't talk as much.

Like the saying goes, It is often better to keep your mouth shut and have people wonder if you are an idiot, than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt.


Good hunting gentlemen and God Bless.