The turn off about that NEF.... Those plastic primer holders it requires. I have not found them at any of my local sporting good stores. As for the NEF kicking any CVA's ass. I think thats going a little to far . Or should i say, a tad bit over confident? Ive held the nef before at a gun shop and it was like my ex girl friend, A little top heavy. CVA's better ramrods will kick the asses of NEF's. As for the nef being the most comfortable rifle you ever held, Try picking up one of those winchester x-150's next time you see one. You'd love it! The palm swell is amazing and the checkering actually helps you grip it. I've never held a modern firearm that felt that comfortable. But lets not try to turn this Guys thread into a pissing match allright? Theres been way to much of that.