Great point Bagem and one that I was going to look at beforeI decide. When I posted my data I included the words brand all models in the description. My point was to show the relative satisfaction to the total brandname rather than specific models. Your point is well taken and I certainly don't care about sport models and others that aren't relevant to my use as a sportsman. When I do my own research I will concentrate on machines in the 400 to700 range which is the class machine I am interested in. Many machines are new to the market and have been given a flat 5 on that site by impressed owners without putting a test of time out there. I will be looking at models that have been in the market place for a while to see how they fare overall. Thanks for adding to my confusion. .....really thanks for bringing that up. Good going.