I joined this website to make friends, not enemies. However I do enjoy a spirited debate. I was recently injured, and now find myself in a physically handicapped position, but not a mentally handicapped position. And you are right about one thing I did have a hard time with physics in college, but I did end up with a B.

I find myself with Cascadedad, and I am not buying it either.

I have only shot 5 elk. 2 with ML, 1 with 45-70, 1 with 340 WM,and 1 with 30-06. All were shot at less than 150 yards, and none went 100 yards after shot.

I have discussed calibers with elk guides a couple of dozen times in my life time. You are the first guide that I have talked to who recommends a smaller caliber and bullet. I know quite a few elk hunters, and again you are the only one who says the smaller bullet is better. I have probably read 100 articles in my life about elk cartridges, again you are the first one who seems to think that smaller is adequate. I do agree with you that if a hunter can not handle a larger caliber or bullet that he should stay away from it, but what does that have to do with your charts.

I envy your position as a guide who gets to kill alot of elk, it must be a fun life. I am sure your "spring" comment was just a typo. I hope you get to shoot a monster, and do it for me, because my elk hunting days are probably over, but I can hope. Fortunately for me I have alot of good friends that will help me in my deer hunting endeavors. I am currently having a Kawasaki Mulemodified so that I can getback into the woods as soon as possible. Tom.