The original comparison was between the 280 and the 30-06. The 7mm Rem was not even mentioned(by me). I agree with you on the mag, but I disagree on the 280(remember most hunters do not reload). I was merely trying to defend my position on the 280 vs 30-06. I do not prefer the 30-06. As a matter of fact I enjoy doing most of my deer and elk hunting with my 1886 Winchester in 45-70.

I do not believe an elk guide would throw anyone out of camp. However I do believe he would rather see a 30-06 with 180's or 200's, insted of a 280 with 150's or 175's.I think the 280 has it's place. The problem is it can be grouped with alot ofcartridges that are pretty much the same.I just believe that in this current market alot of the cartridges, and some of the oldies are going to go the way of, dare I say 284 Winchester. I believe the 280 is one of those cartridges.

I feel as if I have hijacked this thread and I did not mean too. I did not mean to step on any toes. However I still stand by my statements, and if you reread them I think you will to. Tom.