I like your ideas Don and that is the spots I like also I really like the bottom corner and the swamp pic one. The pics don't do it justice but you can see alot of the small trees in the pic but where there is not small trees is some of the nastiest brush Ihave ever seen. If I was to hunt the top two spots It will require a machete or walking on the deer trail and making alot of noise. The spot were I have my ground blind is about the clearest spot on the whole area, and is why I set up there. I can walk down the tracks and then only had to cut a path in the thicket a short ways to get to blind. You asked about size and the owner told me it is 35 acres I think and I would say it is a half to three quarters of a mile long and maybe 200 yards wide total at the back. One thing that makes this spot great too is that there is a 200 acer preserve to the north west that from what I hear is chucked clear full of deer and ducks so I think this is the tip of the iceberg if ya know what I mean. When I go back out I am going to try and examine the corner spot again and see if I cant find something that I can set up, but again I know its late so I don't want to push them away. I like what you said about snow. I have never hunted the snow but have always wanted to. Around here there is not much until late Dec or Jan and by then I am always done, but this year plan on holding out for this spot so maybe I will get to use it this year. Thanks to the both of ya for your advise on this spot.