tatonka...point taken, I understand completely how you feel. That's why I make an annual trek up to the bush to see if I too can catch a glimpse of a gagger whitetail. If I tag one, then even better! Good luck to ya and as Skeeter said PM some of the guy's on the other thread. I know Early is on his way in a couple of weeks as am I, but I'm using the rifle a little more north. Good luck to ya with that one out your window.