I am a camo junkie and I will own some enigma as soon as it becomes available at the IA deer classic or hits stores so that I can actually see it, feel how quiet it is, try it on, andlook at the quality. I refuse to buy anything online without the above. I think all camo has it's strongpoints and it's weaknesses. I also love natgear. There is a lot of passion in you enigma guys; good for you. HCH