I'd say we are definately into the Pre-rut here in Lycoming Co. Usually Oct 21 is coined as the first day of the "hard" prerut. Monday I saw a 2.5 year old wonder, Tuesday night same thing, Wednesday he was out again looking when a 4.5 year old kicked his arse. Tonight I watched a 2.5 year old aimlessly wondering, he was on a mission. It's picking up, I don't think we're late, right on time. It had been fairly warm which didn't help daylight activity.