Timbercreek...I appreciate your reply...I do see where you're comin from...but don't get me wrong I do practice I always take at least a dozen shots a day...I am just not steady enough...or how I'm releasing...I couldn't explain it to you but I can hold steady w/ a crossbow... like drilling shots out to 40 yds. no problem...I can barely shoot 20 yds. w/ my bow...my setup is hoyt cybertec 60lbs. and I have no problem holding the weight...maybe its a mental thing...I do hunt in Ohio where crossbow is legal...I'm not looking for an easy way out by any means...I just think the deer deserve a quick humane kill and I feel the only way I can do it is w/ a crossbow...so...I do appreciate the feed back...thanks a bunch...you did kind of motivate me to shoot a bit more and start tinkering w/ my setup...more than likely this is going to be a rebuilding year...thanks for the post timber creek!!!