Hey, man, these forums are great and all to hear other people's opinions, but don't dare give up just because of what others are saying to ya. Exhaust all resources and find that deer. Just this year already I drilled my biggest buck yet squarethrough the shoulder from 30 yds. My arrow stopped in the opposite-side shoulder and he didn't go 40yds after that. Do not give up...shoulder hits arealmost always lethal.