Shadow ace, Thanks , that was vary interesting reading, have to try and buy a copy of that book, I have Freds field notes book, vary interesting reading. I guess my memory is playing tricks on me, I do know I was married in '76, and when I went to Colorado I was pretty sure I took a Martin bow, But maybe it was my Alaskan, in '74 and '75 I took trips to New Mexico, and then I was using a Bear Polar II. Thats why I thought the Alaskan was brought out earlier.