Personaly I dont need a .30 caliber for deer hunting. I like the idea of a pretty hard hitting, flat shooting, mild recoiling gun. thats why I am thinking of the 7-08. 7 mag is better, 300 mag is even better, 338 is even better, when does it stop ? For me it would be somewhere aroun the 7-08 the .270 or .280, but I wana gun kids and women can shoot. I think the 708 is purrrrrrrrrrrfect. annnnnnd its the .243's bigger brudder Theres something about that .308 case, everything spawned from it has been awsome.