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12-01-2002 | 06:14 AM

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RICHIE3

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From: saint joseph missouri USA

RE: Trophy Hunting?

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#1.Antler restrictions in order to increase doe harvest! Already covered that!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Yes, but you think it is for a different reason. Having more does taken in the name of "herd reduction" doesn't make sense. The next answer will explain why. 
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>#2.Who knows the exact reason why hunters in those areas weren't harvesting more does. Is it truely because the buck to doe ratio is way out of balance? NO WAY! It's a herd reduction tactic!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>This one is funny!!! How can you reduce the number of a given population, by taking more of one sex of deer than the other?? The reason? Because their is too many of one sex more than there is of the other. The reason? The shooting of too many small bucks and not letting them reach maturity, in turn , leaves the ratio way out of balance. If all they wanted to do is reduce the herd size, they would make it open season(more buck and doe tags) on all deer instead of just does.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>#3."If too many bucks are not getting taken , according to me"? Where did I say that too many bucks weren't getting taken or were getting taken? I said that my area has a very good buck to doe ratio with a generous doe harvest every season.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Yes, according to you. You must believe that their are not too many small bucks being taken. Here are some of your exact quotes.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> "Do you think their wrong for shooting the first legal buck that comes by"

"There are alot of us "regular ole plain vanilla brown it's down kinda guys."

"Some hunters are perfectly happy harvesting mediocre bucks while hoping someday, that huge trophy buck (you know, that rare mystical creature, the one you can't see every time you go out, due to TBM) will come by."

"If your into small racks, good for you."<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>It is painfully obvious that you do not think that there are too many bucks being harvested, otherwise, you would not be in favor of shooting small, young bucks at all. By the way, about the one quote blaming TBM for the lack of seeing trophy bucks, if TBM were in place, you would see a dramatic increase in trophy bucks, due to the fact that the younger bucks would have a chance to reach full maturity. And also about that quote that was asked and never answered---Why not help your chances, improve your odds, of seeing that "rare mystical creature"? It does work, for me and for others at literally no cost to the pocketbook.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>#4.Why dont the states just allow more doe tags per hunter? Well , I dont recall you asking me before. Wisconsin is very generous in doe tags and doe only seasons.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Yes, I know, I was just using this question to help others understand the my side of the argument. But, you can believe it is not for only "herd reduction".
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>#5.Why do they have special hunts on these areas?-- An obvious answer would be a buck to doe ratio thats way out of wack.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Why is that? It is because of the surrounding areas harvesting too many young, small bucks. Leaving the remaining does in the immediate vicinity to seek refuge in the protected area. This is not so much my quote as it is my belief from hearing it. It was an exact account from a Missouri Department of Conservation officer, when asked how can a balance be so out of whack when there is no hunting on a given piece of protected property.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>You said: "The lack of bucks in this area will promote inbreeding between a doe and her female offspring." That I'd like to see![sarcasm]<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Yes, I can see where this can be easily misread. But the intent is still the same. The lack of bucks in an area will promote the remaining bucks to inbreed between a does and her female offspring, and so on, and so on, due to the fact that there is not enough competition between bucks for the right to breed.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>#6,#7,#8 Once again , if your state has a herd balance thats way out of wack , like too many does -vs- bucks , then it is important to harvest does , but your preaching to everyone everywhere , right?

Answer me one question.

If an experienced hunter shoots two or three does before harvesting a young buck , is that o.k.? Afterall , he would be practicing QDM!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> Well... That is a good step in the right direction, but still not the desired results. The key in this is to let small, immature bucks pass, culling out the old bucks who haven't generated any quality traits, and maintaining an equal balance of the buck to doe ratio by harvesting a sizable amount of does until the ratio is balanced and kept in check.

It is all very simple and very easy to do. And the best part is that it can be done for the cost of nothing to the individual. The problem lies in getting the old "if it's brown, it's down" mentality out of the way. I am working my butt of trying to get my father out of it, and he is understanding it more and more, each and every time we see a buck get bigger and bigger each season. Literally watching it grow, breed, and pass on its genetics to the next generation. Even he admits to seeing several more large bucks than we used to just 4 years ago, in the same area. And that is a huge step coming from someone who was just lucky to see a deer at all when he was my age, let alone a good trophy whitetail, proving the fact that the state is right on when it changed its mind about a "quality herd" instead of a herd with "quantity".

Bowfanatic,
Just E-mail me your mailing address, and I will be more than happy to send a "2002 Fall Deer and Turkey Hunting Information" booklet to you. They are free, and it has said the exact same things that I am saying here. And Missouri's herd is getting better and better in quality hunts for everyone. Which is what I want for everyone. But there is still a very long way to go.

This debate has been a great time!!!!

Edited by - richie3 on 12/01/2002 07:22:12

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