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11-30-2002 | 11:05 AM

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RICHIE3

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From: saint joseph missouri USA

RE: Trophy Hunting?

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You keep saying if hunters dont stop shooting young bucks , antler restrictions are soon to come? Please explain this! The states that have imposed antler restrictions have had low doe harvests , so they did what they believe will increase the doe harvest period! If I live in a state that has an excellent doe harvest and yet we still have a large amount of young bucks harvested , what will your warning be?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Number one, and once again, This debate is about experienced hunters shooting young bucks or not. Not all hunters.

The states that have antler restrictions have had low doe harvests?????Please explain what type of harvests they have been having then!! If the number of does harvested is very low, this must mean one thing, that too many bucks are being harvested!!! So, an imposed antler restriction is just that---a restricition that limits the hunter to what they can harvest legally!! This is what I have been saying all along!! If hunters do not change their ways, antler restrictions are soon to follow!!! I don't want it to get to a point in my state to where more restrictions are imposed!! Foremost and first of all, for all of the young or inexperienced hunters who need to take smaller bucks for their first kill!!! The last thing I want to do is tell a kid that he/she cannot shoot that buck in front of them because it is too small!!! But again, this thread is about the experienced hunter, not the young and inexperienced hunters!!!!!

The warning will be the number of buck sightings all together, getting less and less. Mark my words, sooner or later, just about every state will impose antler restrctions due to this thinking that refuses to be changed.

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How does it put them in financial strain? You already condemned the farmers in my area (which you know nothing about) for shooting any type of deer because of crop damage. Which btw was a very ligitimate answer to your question which you chose to downplay with zero factual evidence. Who's answering questions based on emotion???<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I am answering the question, and it is not based on emotion. I never condemned "your area farmers" for anything. I stated that I am far from a stranger to the farming community, and the farmers that I know have never complained about crop damage to a degree to where it will be on the verge of breaking them. I know it, and they know it. Deer do minimal damage to crops, but so do racoons, squirrels, possums, crows, ect. Don't twist my words around.

There are more than just crop farmers in n.w. Missouri, but the bulk of them are. It just so happens that the people that I hunt on, were left the farm thru family that has since passed. To keep it in the family, they are choosing to try to make it on their own, and are having a difficult time of doing so. If I can harvest my 3 does a year during rifle season to help them out, so be it, whether you believe it or not. This is why I need to hunt!!!

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Still avoiding the answers to your question? You've been answered several times and yet you pick out the vague , yet most important answer to your question , simply because of it's vagueness.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I am not avoiding anything. I know that it is a right for one to shoot what ever they choose. I am just saying, and have always said, that if experienced hunters do not change their ways, more restrictions are soon to follow.

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Once again , read all replies and dont skip the ones that give true arguement to your "debate".<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I will tell you what, let's you and I go head to head on questions and answers. You pose and number whatever question it is you would like to know an answer from me, and I will answer it. I guess highlighting and quoting every contradictary statement against me isn't good enough for you. So, you go ahead and go back thru this thread, and show me the questions I have failed to answer for you.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> And for the record , I've given you answers other than "I choose to" (<did I even say that?)<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote> This is not true at all. This has been the basis of argument the "cons" or people who do not believe in QDM, have been stating all along.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> What type of factual evidence are you looking for? You haven't provided any! Do you want to see the crop damage reports in my area? Shall I provide you with names and phone numbers of the farmers in my area so you can tell them their all wrong? How much time have you spent in our national forests (northern Wi) to make an educated statement towards a hunter who shoots the first buck he sees because it might very well be the first buck he's seen in a few years? And dont say , why is that? We're talking about vast forests which dont hold the deer numbers that farm country does? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

LOL.....There you go again......Dancing around your own words when you don't even realize it!!!!

Go ahead and explain to me how the farmers in your area can have sooo much crop damage, when YOU have just got done saying that the area does not hold the deer numbers???? If you are refering to the "farm country" holding more deer and do more damage, I WILL completely disagree with you. Farmers know the game there, just as they do here!! If they do not claim some sort of loss in the name of "crop damage" or "flood damage" or something like that, they will not recieve their insurance, government subsidies, ect.!!!! I know the game well, and so do they!!!
So you can spout off and yell "crop damage" and claim to show me numbers all you want!! I know better!!! I do not blame the farmers for it either!!! They are what this country is based on in my opinion, and DESERVE all of the breaks that they can get!!!

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