KGkoon.... Thank you. You pretty much summed it up. I'm simply a hunter. I shoot them because they're legal and I enjoy it. I'm not in it to watch the deer. If I wish to be a bird watcher I can reduce the weight of my pack and just carry the binos. I guess I'll have to move to Illinois where the 2 and a half year old deer are so stupid you can throw rocks at them and kill them. How many of you people are fortunated enough to have stupid deer around.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Those of you who say you'll only shoot 140 class deer or larger sure do lead a sheltered life. You hunt some public ground in NY, Maryland or PA and you'd never have to shoot an arrow. I can almost guarantee you'd never see an animal worthy of your bother. Don't bring any rocks to hunt with either as you'll never get a Rock Shot.