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11-29-2002 | 10:32 AM

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RICHIE3

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From: saint joseph missouri USA

RE: Trophy Hunting?

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...and our deer population is much much greater now than when I started. We used to have a draw only system that was buck only, now everyone gets an anysex tag and they are handing out extra doe tags. Doesn't seem to support your debate that it is hurting the younger generation. There are many more big bucks now than ever. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
You have missed it and don't even know it. All states have a few giants roaming around. The reason why states (like Iowa, Missouri) are selling any sex deer tags and numerous doe tags instead of "buck only" tags, are the exact reasons that I have stated much earlier in this thread. These states early on in their conservation for whitetail deer processes, decided that quantity was the main issue. Now they have realized that is not the case, and a quality herd is now needed. "Buck only" tags are now obsolete in these two states so to encourage the harvest of does. If this is not the fact, there would still be "buck only" tags.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>In fact it can be argued that the next generation will be hurt more by the QDM people who do not let others hunt on large pieces of ground because they are worried that someone will shot something too small for thier standards.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
This is an incorrect statement. If large bucks were numerous and everywhere, there would be no need to "lock up" large tracts of ground. you would be able to take large mature whitetails anywhere, everyday. Also, maybe they are just doing their part to help out the herd. why should they put in the time and effort for someone else to come in and slaughter everything that moves?

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>What happens to that uncle or father or mother or whoever that wants to take thier child hunting but does not have the ground to hunt on. Public ground? I don't know about you but in Iowa the public ground isn't even safe to be on in gun season. I just got back from Wyoming antelope and mule deer hunting and can say that thier public ground isn't too safe either.

Wouldn't it be great if all the states were under QDM restrictions so that everyone would have to follow someone elses standards. Do you think antler restrictions are great? I would love to see the look on someones face (childs?) when you explain that they can not shoot that deer because someone else thinks it is too small. Maybe a trophy to them, maybe the only deer that they ever shoot? Maybe they get cancer or something happens that does not allow them to hunt anymore and those dang antler restrictions sure did a good job or preserving the quality of deer for someone else while robbing a memory from the next person. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

WOW!!!! Now we are playing the sympathy card!! O.K....I'll bite. I have as much sympathy for children, sick or healthy, or for the novice who would like to start his or hers hunting or fishing career.

I have never stated, in any single one of my posts, that youngsters or novice hunters should pass on a smaller buck. You should go back and read this entire post before making a statement like that to me. The original thread was by an experienced hunter, knowing the argumental responses were sure to follow.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Why is the size of the antlers so important to you? Is this how you grade your hunts?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I will not pull any punches. Yes, this is how I grade my hunts. This also my way of making the herd a more stable herd for everybody. It is my way of feeding the less fortunate, while keeping the herd stable. It is a proven fact, made every year by the actions of state conservation agencies across the land.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I am not missing the point, I in fact understand it very well.
What state of hunting is effected? The trophy hunters standards?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I am sorry, I think you are. It seems to me that the "trophy hunters" standards are quickly being adapted by state wildlife agencies every year. Especially when state agencies are the birthplace for Q.D.M. With all of the knowledge of the state biologists, and all of the new information that is found out every year from studies done in field research, I tend to believe them when they initiate point restrictions for a reason.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I hope my son and daughter do not get mixed up in all the ads for deer hunting telling them to shoot the big one and you will be happier only to forget about the sheer joy of being out in the woods for just the sake of hunting. The look on my face or thiers when they take an animal in its own habitat. Sit for hours waiting for the right shot so the animal doesn't suffer. The hours of practice and more hours of talking about it that it takes to harvest an animal. The time in the field with friends or the solitude away from work and worldly pressure that is relieved. I hope they enjoy the rights that others have sacraficed to give them. I hope they continue to fight for those rights. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Once again, this original post was about a experienced hunter taking a smaller buck, with an understanding of the responses that it would arise. Otherwise, he would have just stated that he shot a buck this year, in which I would have congradulated him. I will not belittle anyone who takes a smaller buck when they have the experience under their belt. But, when put in a way to where they want a debate about it, I will not miss the opportunity to disperse my beliefs.

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I don't think you understand, I think you missed my point, if you must grade your hunts or future hunts by the size of the deer you are missing the point. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Well...I think the opposite about yourself. If you are a novice hunter, take anything you like, if you are an experienced hunter, you should give my way a try for a year or two and see the number in bigger buck sightings increase.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>You will not find any answers to the questions you keep asking because you are choose to dismiss any answers that you do not want to hear. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
No.. That is not true. I have disected, quoted points against my arguments, on every post to the contrary. I have dodged no questions, just countered them with direct answers.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>That is the answer to all your questions.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
That may be what you settle for in life, but not me.

I have to go now for awhile, but I will be back on later today to respond again, to you last post. I will not dodge anything, but i cannot sit on the ccomputer all day. See ya'll in a few hours!!

Edited by - richie3 on 11/29/2002 11:36:58