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11-27-2002 | 04:29 PM

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RICHIE3

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From: saint joseph missouri USA

RE: Trophy Hunting?

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BOWFANATIC some of them are really up in arms with your viewpoint and reasoning! I have often wondered how many of these trophy hunters would have the same attitudes if they lived and or hunted in areas that had a huge abundance of deer and due just to shear numbers the entire herd suffered, or there were an excellent mix of young and fully mature bucks and you could take three bucks a year and almost all the doe you wanted to boot. I have a strong feeling that many of them hunt in areas where there is a one buck limit and very few bucks to go around.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Taz, you are wrong about me. I am not up in arms over anything. A debatable thread was posted, and I am debating to the best of my ability.
We also have the numbers of deer here in Missouri. I don't think this is an excuse for experienced hunters not to be selective. By the way, here in Missouri, you can take 3 bucks also(2 by archery--1 by firearm) and several does. There are very few, nice, big bucks to go around and for one reason. Too many smaller bucks harvested. I still haveen't seen a reason not to shoot does.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I will be honest and say that if we were only allowed 1 buck a season I might share some of thier sentiments, because they have this need to have massive racks to allow them to brag about their kill.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
By the way, I do not have a "need to brag" about anything I harvest in the hunting season, or for that matter, during the fishing season either. In fact, I would rather not have alot of people know about the animals I harvest. Why would I want anyone taking advantage of hard work and effort I have put in?? This happens all of the time, even you cannot deny that. So, the "bragging" theory does not hold water. Ask anyone who takes big bucks all of the time where exactly they go, I bet lips get glued together on the answers.
I prefer to try to take larger bucks for one reason. The satisfaction of knowing that I have for a brief moment, outwitted, outsmarted, or just got plain lucky over a massive buck. You can't tell me that you do not get a sense of joy or satisfaction when your close friends view your buck, and give compliments to you for it. It is not that you are bragging, just proud.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Perhaps you would like to explain that one to me, in Va. you can kill 3 buck a year and over 100 doe and we still have a growing herd of deer! If you think it is due to over harvesting of young bucks you may want to do some factual research of the area BOWFANATIC is speaking of. The further north you go the fewer deer there are due mainly to the far harsher winters which kill off huge numbers of deer when they are not kept thinned out.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Well, number one, I am not talking about Virginia. But, if you can take that many does without hurting the balance of the herd, then you have just answered your own question. It sounds to me that there is a serious lack of bucks in that state, or a serious lack of hunters per habitat with marginal bucks in the region. The "cold weather" theory has some points to it, but then again, how does Canada have so many large whitetails?? Do they not have any winter kill there?? I don't need you to tell me to do some research, I have not just fallen off of the truck.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I am not going to lie, I love venison and I love to hunt, if I lived there and I had a choice between no venison or waiting 3-4 years and hoping no one else killed my venison to hang a rack on my wall, or taking a basket 8, I would take the basket 8.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
That is your freedom of choice, I am just speaking of the consequenses of overharvesting of small bucks. Keep it going like some states are, and point restrictions are not far behind.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I have no problem with trophy hunters at all, if they want to drop the money and get enough property to control their trophy herd, I say go for it. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
I do not spend money (except for gas) on Q.D.M., T.B.M., ect.
I just get off of my duff and do whatever is possible to help out the farmer or farmers in whatever they need done thru out the year.I help even though most say they do not need help. Just show up and get ready to do anything necessary. Sincere thanks is given back by helping me out in what I need done. It may not be much to them, but it is huge gains for me and my father and appreciated all the same.

I need to correct myself on a point my wife just pointed out.

I guess I do spend quite abit of money each year to help manage my little piece of heaven. It is spent on processing fees for the does that I harvest. And at $75.00 a pop and going up each year, it gets quite exspensive.

By the way, I haven't had any deer venison for the last 8 years. All venison has gone to help out the farmers and their families that I hunt on. And there is nothing more gratifying than that!!!

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