Hey, thanks for the input. My idea would boot would of course be 18" rubber for scent control but cannot get a boot to fit my calves. Tryed all with gusset uppers as the big boy burlys and a pair of redhad at bass pro that was both gusset and zipped to no avail. I wear rubber sole pac boots in the early season but not to comfortable. I have a pair of Rocky Bear Claw 2's with 1000gr thinsulate that have owned for 5 years or so. Great boot, wear for deer, rabbit, and worn on 2 trips to Wyoming on Muley and Pronghorn hunts. I have heard about Danner boots from several people and would welcome the lighter weight over the Bear Claws. Again thanks for the input.