50 years at grouse hunting here in pa.. our woods are thick with trees..when grouse goes up, its quick..weight of 12 ga is terrible to lug around ..that was my view..

but i found the gun that is ticket.. BERETTA URICKA FIELD 12 GA.. i sold my old shotguns and bought this wonderful shotgun.. its like feather in woods, handles great ..i use 2 and 3/4 inch low brass in 7 and 1/2 while leaves are on trees..choke is improved cyl because most shots are not over 25 yards..you could use skeet/cyl choke also..NOW,after leaves come off its all new ball game..i use 2 AND 3/4 INCHno.6 shot HIGH BRASS with a FULL CHOKE..my barrel is 28 inch but many use 26 inch..28 inch BALANCES better but is hard to swing in brush but you get used to how to make it work..

that about it..i HIGHLY rec you get a uricka field,it can be used for just about anything and its light..no way i would use 20 ga anymore with gun like this..

get your guns cleaned up and sell them..i did and i am a very happy grouse hunter..

if anyone needs info on grouse hunting here in pa,feel free to pm me..