I'm with you on the Barnes expanders, that's what I use......I have some buds that use powerbelts, sure they're easy to load and the Barnes are a bitch with the sabot (at least in my Encore) but I've never lost a deer, or even had one hard to find,that's been hit by a Barnes. I'll check onretriveing across property lines, I would ask permission if I knew who owned it but it's virgin land and I would guess I would have to research it at thecounty land office.