Guys, I decided to go with the shockwaves after reading so much about them and after resighting my gun, they are grouping great. I've stayed with the 90 grains of Pyrodex so far but may move up to 100 later. I wasn't lucky enough to try it on a deer this weekend but maybe the upcoming weekend will be better. The only problem I have seen with them is that they are next to impossible to load into my Dad's Tradition and one of my friend's CVA Kodiak Mag. I shoot a CVA Kodiak Mag, identical to my friend's and the bullets load very easy into mine so I'm not sure what is going on there. Maybe they didn't have them as clean as they thought they did.