But QzQ... those deer you see 2 hours before daylight are long gone by daylight. I don't care how many deer pass a spot before light, you aren't getting a whack at them. In fact, you might be hunting in the wrong place for the time of day you're there. I see people all the time coming up with these "RULES" for success that just beat themselves up and are not any more successful than the guy that takes another hour to cuddle in a warm bed. What in the hell good does it do to see a deer 2 hours before daylight. If he's there 2 hours before daylight you should be somewhere else at daylight..... like where he went to. You'd be much fresher and a lot more alert and stink the woods up less when normal daytime wind currents kick in. In those 2 hours before daylight all you do is lay a big upside down mushroom of stink on the ground. Oh sure, there is the chance you'll spook a deer, but hey, you can spook the same deer 2 hours before daylight. That's just beating yourself up, waking the family and making you sore and stiff long before you can shoot anything. It's a definite overkill that probably makes you antsy and not a good hunter around 9 or 10. No need to be in a stand at 4:30 AM at this time of year. I've actually had spots I hunted that where it was better to wait until AFTER sunrise to slip in so you could see where the deer were and avoid them.