I keep inventing new ways to get frustrated!I had 4 does around me for an hour. I was 45' up the tree on a very steep ridge, so the does finally got eye level and saw just enough to concern them, and they began pacing around stomping and doing the 'peek a boo' head bob deal. I tried to be still, and they finally went to the right. I moved to my left, and I noticed another deer---a big one. I tried to get turned and had to move to do so--and the does reappeared at the same time. Long story short---he was behind them, and got a little nervous and got off the trail that would have brought him 5 yards from my tree! I grunted and he wanted tp , bu was more intereted in following the does than a fight and he went after them. He was 20" inside, g2's about 12" or maybe more----10 pointer, with very heavy mass! I was so sick that I could have puked! 4 8's last week and now this one! At least I'm in the right place!