got a few slick tricks on the way....hope to get them in a day or two. i'm just plain sick of trying to get the muzzy's to group. they're not too bad....but i want better....hehe. those of you who shoot the st's, are they as good as advertised? and does it matter how you orient the blades.....straight up? or does.nt it matter? btw they are 100 gr. ty in advance guys.