Henry, lol, one more time, the Ten Points weigh 431, read the Cabelas thingy he just posted. According to Randy, the Hunter and Pro-Elite arrows are the same, just set up different, if I understood him correctly. Apparently there is no Ten Point arrow [carbon] at 420 gr. I've seen them advertised somewhere as 420 gr too, but can't remember where. it looks like he can get a dozen cheaper tha from Miller, didn't see that part of the post, dayam thing is too wide for my screen, lol.