LOL....Sorry Mike, don't mean to be...[&:] I just really have a major dislike for lumenoks. I work at a pro shop and we have to send 75% of them back because they don't light up. When they do, they are really cool, no doubt. They also aren't very durable. Folks at our shop shoot them 15 or 20 times and they break. I've shot the crap out of the archers flames with no trouble.

Oh, and for the record, I am in NO WAY affiliated w/ them, I just like them alot.