I've been urban hunting for over 15 years. I've have yet to shoot a monster IE 150 and above and depending on beam/points/tine length. I've seen some very big deer out there however not in bow range. Most areas it's stricly bow only but a few I could gun hunt. In my book why? Bow is so much fun. One day it will hook up. It might be tomorrow. Everyday, I wake up I know it will be my day in some way!