I think what Triple 7 is trying to tell you here is that these quick clean jobs are eventually going to ruin your barrel. It has happened to several friends of mine. You can get away with the non-thorough routine a few times; but at some point you are going to have to do the hot soapy water thing with detailed cleaning and follow it up with light oil. Even stainless guns can't resist the corrosive properties of real black powder, Pyrodex, and most other substitutes for long. We are trying to help you here - provide the benefit of experience.

Back to the subject: I'm using 2F Jim Shockey Gold (premium APP from what I understand)and am very satisfied with it so far. Good groups - consistent zero. I'm using an inline gun with shotgun primers, and the new platinum powerbelts. I also got good results with Shockwaves in my Black Diamond XR. Hard to believe the 3F is that erratic, or hard to ignite for that matter. I'm still wondering if Cayugad got a bad batch of powder.