Hotburn: Don't look like you are getting much response to your questions, lol. Prolly a matter of one kicked the other in the shins, but neither will talk about it, lol. I was gonna try a 10 pt.I wanted as close to the Pro-Elite as I could get, w/o all the safeties ect, just wanted the best trigger they offer on what ever model they call it, used. Seems they got more models than the number of guitar pickers in Nashville, lol, but they are trying to hit every budget and I don't fault them for that, it's the American way. well, it never happened, was supposed to, can't go there, but found the Paradox 1st. Figured what the he11, a wheel bows a wheel bow, the Pdox only being made 3-4 years might have some collector value, lol, like I'd sell an Excal, insert major chuckles here. Don't need the 10 pt no more, got the Pdox spittin em out at 317 fps w/ 431 gr arrows, inside 50 cent pieces at 30 yds. and, that's after I took the 1 1/2lb stabilizer off the front of the bow. Now, I'm thinking about a Horton. You know, something for rainy days or hunting in alot of mud, lol. You been a Horton guy for along time, what's their best mudder model? lol. Slow night, eh bud?