With years of climbing stand experience I found the cats meow in climbing stands and it is made by NON TYPICAL. I use the summit Vipor and love it. I go back to the old Baker and I have the scars to prove it. I have used the API and the new Lone Wolf (verry unsatisfied). I saw it at a show this weekend in NJ my buddy bought one I then tried it out, every stand maker schould be shaking in there boots with this one. It is just awsome, solid in the tree is just an understatement, the seat positions high for bow hunting and lower for gun with a gun and a bow holder it does'nt lack anything accept for its price of $350. But if you can afford that it is great also there fixed stands are the best I have ever seen also thats probably why alot of outfitters use them. They do'nt sell to distributers only direct. I'll be buying one myself at the Harrisburg show in Feb.