txmarshmonkey I agree,I don't like that vest style at all.I have a seat o pants and like it okay ,but it only fits early in the season,so today after doing alot of searching I found the loggy bayou transformer system and ordered the Xl (Cabelas was out of them).What I do also is when I hang my stands I drop a fall line from above the stand and lash it around the butt of the tree and slide a prusic knot up as I climb ,and down as I descend,this way youre alswaysclipped/safetied in.