well...this guy came out at 75 yds with my .308with another one, A six point. they were the same but i decided to take to bigger one. Blew the heart out. ran about 5 yds. 16in. spead. weighed 167 lbs. when i was guttin him, i found where a fellow hunter shot him last year near the spine but did no damage to him...i was debating to use my Bow but decided not to and use the .308...all in all...its a nice opener buck