i have heard the name b4, my dad would know better than me. As for the draw hunters ya they do put alot of pressure on the elk but not as much as all of the regular season hunters drivin around likea bunch of squirrels. The elk still do come out of the park but often not where u expect and more so they go nocturnal. I have hunted both rifle and archery over the years and i have found that killing an elk in archery season for me is easier than killing a bull with the rifle because the are still in the summer patterns during end of aug and not nocturnal yet.