Well, let me take my foot out of my mouth. But it does sound like you are saying there is no such thing as hydroshock in your post until you read it real close. Anyway, now I know what you mean now, sorry. When I first started muzzleload hunting years ago, I was so excited about shooting that big hung of lead into a deer. Then I was shocked when it ran forever. I was thinking of wieght of lead, and that big bang. So learned that way.