Thanks guys for all of the replies!! I think I knew the answer to my question before i asked it, but always good to here other opions on products. I haven't decided yet to get a shock collar or just go with beeper collar for now. I hunted aroundcouple of guys who had beeper collar only last yearand it sold me on them.Funny tid bit- I talked to cabelas about their own brand of collars andcouple employeestold me they were junk and always returned with problems.