Thanks for a great post Davidmil. My only bowdeer is a doe I killed last year from the ground. I have practiced from a 20' stand in my back yard all summer on a 3D deer but I still need all the info I can get. I'll be spending more time in a tree this year. I only had one stand last year, and now have 4. Your description makes it pretty clear and easy to visualize shot placement. And yes at times you have given me answers I didn't want to hear, like the one about spending 3 hr cutting an access trail. Although I didn't hear what I wanted to I took that info to heart and won't make that mistake again. With one year of bowhunting under my belt I may not still be a rookie but I sure do have a lot left to learn. Thanks for all of your help.