SBGoobler: Nope my post wasn't directed at anyone except those who may Not know or have a wrong preconceived notion of where to aim and what the should be thinking. Your post DID lead me to post this, but it wasn't directed to you. I probably DID insert more into your angle and shot than was there...my bad. It's just I wish I had a $5 bill for everytime I've heard such things as, "It was straight down and I aimed right between the shoulders and that's where it hit" ...or ... "He was angled away pretty good but I slid it right behind the shoulder". .... or... "He was angled to me pretty good and I put it right into his shoulder"... or... "He was head on and I hit him right in the chest but it came out behind the shoulder"....or..."He was broadside so I put the pin right ON his shoulder but didn't get penetration. I hate these X,Y, Z broadheads". In 40 years of bowhunting I've heard them all too often. I didn't offer it up against anyone but more to guide the unknowing or newbee. Just trying to jog some minds. I've even heard these things from people who have killed their share of deer.