I shoot a 10 yd pin along with a 20, 30 and 40. I agree the first set up should only be out to 20 yds.. I use a 10 yd. pin because I have deer coming in at 11-12 yds. which produces a severe angle at times and I feel I need to bepretty precise in my shot.I shoot a pretty heavy arrow (451grs.@218fps.)and get a lot of drop between 10 and 20yds.