Greg/MO I have been wanting to get the book you are talking about,, Ive read a lot of Higgins stuff and always enjoy reading his stuff,, and just havent got the book yet.. The first oftwo encounters Ive had with him are at a pond on oct 1 year before last about 100 yards or less from where these pics are takenhe cam in to drink as a 125 inch 10 with a couple stickers off the bases,, he stood broadside at 40 yds and I didnt shoot because I was waiting for him to come to the waters edge,, he never did and when he turned to go back the way he came I didnt have time for a shot.. Then last year on the day before MO rifle season he came through a shooting lane at 10 yards and I was at full draw with the pin on him but he wouldnt stop, and I wouldnt try with him moving even at 10 yards,, so he went on out of sight.. That was on the opposite end of the area I can hunt, about 3/4 of a mile away from the pond,, but when season opens up, he tends to move to the back of the property where the pressure is less, and he stays all winter, and I get pics of him often then,, last year he was a 140 class 10 with still a few stickers around the bases,, but he broke his main beam during rifle season. I think I may have a chance at him, if I can play it smart, my biggest obstacle is a 16 year old nephew who is starting to hunt and thinks he knows how to do everything, and wont let anyone tell him anything,, but he also dont know about the buck either,, so hopefully girls will keep him out of the woods this year until he wants to be more serious.. Thanks for the input guys,, I wish I had someone nearby to hlep unravel his pattern, our place is hard to hunt, it is all timber and has clearcuts everywhere,, so they can bed and eat anywhere..