Well i was shooting today at 30 yards basically the whole time. And my groups were ok, like 4 in. groups. I have the block 4x4 and i would have like 2 in the black dots like toward the outside of the dot, and have one just outside of the dot. I got to thinkn that when i pull the trigger with my index finger i have to bring my finger across the release, and i had the idea to use my middle finger because it is more in-line with the trigger and i would be pulling back more than sideways wit my index finger. So i moved up to 10 yards just to see if my anchor point would be any different, none. so i move back to 30 and my first 3 arrows are all inside the dot. I go get them and shoot again, all 3 inside the dot again. I had improved my groups to about 2 1/2 inches at 30 yards.I dont know if anyone else pulls the trigger on their release with their middle finger but i think if your lookin for a little better groups to atleast try it.....it worked for me i couldnt be happier .