Well, since you haven't been privvy to any conersations I've had with DF, you really don't know what I am talking about. You are privileged to take your approach,and I will take mine. I have been party to the emotional, unreasonable tactic in the past , concerning issues with far greater inplications and ramifications than WHA,and know that all it does is to push someone as determined as he is to be more determined than ever. Do you really expect him to concede because he has received some well intentioned, yet ill advised rhetorical protests? I can ssure you that he won't. The only language that he will understand is firm, statistically accurate, well thought out and well delivered facts. A part of that is the emotional issues and the image reflections, but mostly it will be his pocket book. If he can't be convinced through these means, then he won't ever be.